loreng,I get what you mean. In more recent times, the use of comnebid arms tactics using MBTs, APCs and artillery by the North Vietnamese in their 1974/75 offensive and the use of MBTs, artillery and airpower by the Thais during a border clash fought with Myanmmar in 2000 or 2001, in terrain similar to ours, also offers lessons that can be applied here. And off course the 2003 Thunder Runs',which is has been studied with keen interest by one of our neighbours. As you indicated, we should not follow blindly Western doctrine, but we should apply what would best suit us and there are plenty of lessons to be learnt from recent conflicts fought by Western countries.The Condors and Sibmas were bought at a time when there was a pressing need to modernise and funds were scarce. We could not afford a 105mm guns and the Condor and Sibmas fitted with 90mms, suited our budget and our doctrine at that time. As the Scorpions and Sibmas still have lots of life yet, I don't see why we should be in a hurry to retire them. Fitted with a 30mm autocannon the Scorpion can perform recce role it has a very low ground pressure and can operate in many areas where others can't. Yes it has thin armour but then as a recce vehicle it should not be exposed or in direct contact with enemy firepower. The Sibmas, maybe, with the 90mm taken off, can be converted into specialised engineering vehicles or maybe even into an AD vehicle, with a turret fitted with MANPADs. As for the Condors, some are in better condition than others and could possibly be transferred to some of our TA regiments or the Border Regiment.